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and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what the republicans are going to do, what the republicans might do differently now, but this isn't about talking. in michigan we are seeing what they are doing. are these guys an outlier or is this representative of what we should expect from republicans around the country and in d.c. after this election? joining us now is gene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the "washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. mr. robinson, it is great to have you here tonight. >> it is great to be here, rachel. >> i would not have expected
and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what...
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and in michigan, in particular, the nra had wanted to make sure that the permit system in michigan was abolished for buying handguns and so i think that things are being done. remember, all of these actions happened prior to friday and what happened in newtown. i am telling you that i am absolutely hopeful and i think things are different. i hear that in the news. >> you bring up the nra. let's play what michael bloomberg. >> nra's number one objective this time was to defeat barack obama for a second term. last time i checked the election results he won and won comfortably. this myth that the nra can destroy political careers is just not true. we won four out of seven -- four out of seven where the nra supported every one of the four and we won with a small amount of money. there is this myth that the nra is so powerful, you go back to what happened back when the democrats lost after the assault weapons ban. i don't know that the two are connected then but today the nra's power is so vastly overrated. the public when you do the polls, they want to stop this carnage. >> and david, toda
and in michigan, in particular, the nra had wanted to make sure that the permit system in michigan was abolished for buying handguns and so i think that things are being done. remember, all of these actions happened prior to friday and what happened in newtown. i am telling you that i am absolutely hopeful and i think things are different. i hear that in the news. >> you bring up the nra. let's play what michael bloomberg. >> nra's number one objective this time was to defeat barack...
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and, indeed, the governor of michigan, rick snyder, has pledged to take a close look at legislation that would allow concealed weapons in schools and churches. will that save us from the kind of tragedy we had on friday? >> we work with survivors of gun violence every day. we just had, as you saw, many of them in to city hall to meet with mayor bloomberg. one is steve barton who was in the theater in aurora more a gunman killed so many people and his view is parallel to what you hear from law enforcement experts who are trained to use firearms who say there is no way in a confused situation on the street, in a theater, in a school that more firearms in the hands of more people makes you any safer, particularly because they're far less likely to be well-trained in their use than the police. >> goldie, you have handled serious firearms in your former life as a marine. is there any possible justification for a citizen to have access to semiautomatic weapons like a bushmaster and a magazine that can hold 30 rounds? what possible sporting justification is there for that? >> there is none. if
and, indeed, the governor of michigan, rick snyder, has pledged to take a close look at legislation that would allow concealed weapons in schools and churches. will that save us from the kind of tragedy we had on friday? >> we work with survivors of gun violence every day. we just had, as you saw, many of them in to city hall to meet with mayor bloomberg. one is steve barton who was in the theater in aurora more a gunman killed so many people and his view is parallel to what you hear from...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience. they've done similar legislation back in february. they've seen thousands of jobs come to indiana. and those jobs could also come to michigan. >> and when you look at indiana and see what they've achieved since february when they did similar legislation, they've gotten thousands of jobs coming to indiana because of this issue. >> all you have to do is look to indiana. and as soon as they did this legislation, thousands of jobs have come to indiana since that time frame. >> we're losing a major competitive advantage. indiana has become a right to work state. and i've looked at their pipeline. they've significantly increased the number
and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience....
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the scene in michigan today looked familiar. it looked like the scenes in indiana and in ohio and in wisconsin where those states voted to take away the rights of unions. in fact, it was exactly that kind of scene michigan governor rick snyder, a republican, had said he wanted to avoid. in february, governor snyder looked at those other midwestern states with republican governors and workers protesting in the state capital and decided he did not want that thing in michigan, not in his historically very strong union state. governor snyder said, "you look at now that they've had those things happen, do they have a productive environment to solve problems? not necessarily. they're still overcoming the divisiveness, the hard feelings from all of that." at the time reporters wanted to know whether rick snyder would support what is known as a right to work law. the idea of right to work is simple. under a right to work law, employees of a union shop don't have to pay union dues. the employees get the benefit of the union, the higher w
the scene in michigan today looked familiar. it looked like the scenes in indiana and in ohio and in wisconsin where those states voted to take away the rights of unions. in fact, it was exactly that kind of scene michigan governor rick snyder, a republican, had said he wanted to avoid. in february, governor snyder looked at those other midwestern states with republican governors and workers protesting in the state capital and decided he did not want that thing in michigan, not in his...
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this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the presidential politics and the president saying this is going to happen. so why can't these two men meet in the middle? >> it's interesting, because you're hearing in the public pronouncements almost no movement. the president reportedly lowered his target on tax, you know, revenue from 1.6 to 1.4. boehner stayed exactly the same, 800 billion. they are differing on how to get there. they are still saying the same things they have always been saying but then you have other reports in the "wall street journal" and bloomberg that behind the scenes the staffs are talking real numbers
this fight is not over. >> we are going to get to michigan in a moment. first we want to bring in today's political power panel and dig in on the big topics of the day. msnbc contributor joy ann reid, also managing editor for the grio. msnbc contributor ari melber, correspondent for the nation and republican strategist alice stewart. great to see all three of you. joy ann, moments ago, boehner saying the sides are far apart. the cliff 20 days away. the posturing continues with the...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first full prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you,
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we already had a debate about this early in the year. scott walker -- >> he sort of -- >> it's hard to say the union people will have to be worried right now. >> it does feel as if when this moves, it moves. the question is, can they calibrate on another policy. we asked in the last 100 years how many presidents were elected after serving in the house, but not in the senate. there's just one. president george h.w. bush was a congressman for texas, unsuccessful candidate for the united states senate. then of course he was u.n. ambassador, cia director and vice president before he was
the michigan polls show this is a winner for people who with unions. the governors ratings are very mediocre. majority say that after they hear both sides, they are against right to work and 80% say this is not -- this shouldn't be a priority at all. actually, more say they're going to hold it against legislators for voting for it than reward them for it. >> we know what we will be talking about in 2014 in the midwest. we have that clear. we know what this will be about. >> we...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. avoid bad.fats. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. darrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time.
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the fiscal cliff come early to the workers of michigan.
the fiscal cliff come early to the workers of michigan.
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last night michigan passed a law making it legal to carry a concealed weapon in a church, in a school, in a daycare center and they also abolished the local county boards that were in charge of supervising the permits that do go out. so we've got these well-funded lobbies, these well-funded efforts to keep politicians on a short leash when it comes to any kind of common sense gun control, and so it's going to take a lot of courage on the part of the president but not just the president, everyone in congress and not just democrats, the nation. >> karen, you've worked previously for the new york education department. give us your perspective on a school like this because, as i understand it, most schools are accessible until about 9:00 a.m., quarter past 9:00, and then the access is closed. yet this individual or indeed the school made the 911 call just after 9:30. >> i'm sure we'll learn more about there was some speculation that perhaps this individual may have taught at the school or had some kind of access to the school. and i also heard reported there were new school safety measure
last night michigan passed a law making it legal to carry a concealed weapon in a church, in a school, in a daycare center and they also abolished the local county boards that were in charge of supervising the permits that do go out. so we've got these well-funded lobbies, these well-funded efforts to keep politicians on a short leash when it comes to any kind of common sense gun control, and so it's going to take a lot of courage on the part of the president but not just the president,...
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i'll take you back to a report february 29, 2000, in flint, michigan. there a 6-year-old boy brought a gun to buelle elementary school in mount morris township. he killed his first grade classmate kayla roland. that's in flint, michigan. i'll take you back to 1979. san diego, california. fortunately, there, alex, brenda spentser, at the time, 16, pulled out a .22 caliber rifle from her family's house across the vietnam and said after she had shot some students, i just don't like mondays. this is really a tough and emotional story to watch when we listen to some of the children what they have to say here, alex. we think of these places as safe havens, and, unfortunately, today it was not. >> nbc's -- nbc -- msnbc's richard lui. chelg -- i don't know what the word is to describe this. horrifying, chilling, a moment of national tragedy. you know, the culture -- we talk about violence. it's not something that is just happening in schools. it's not something that's just happening 234 movie theaters. we were talking during the break about violence that's happ
i'll take you back to a report february 29, 2000, in flint, michigan. there a 6-year-old boy brought a gun to buelle elementary school in mount morris township. he killed his first grade classmate kayla roland. that's in flint, michigan. i'll take you back to 1979. san diego, california. fortunately, there, alex, brenda spentser, at the time, 16, pulled out a .22 caliber rifle from her family's house across the vietnam and said after she had shot some students, i just don't like mondays. this...
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michigan snyder what did he say? snyder did not address as they explained in the slate, did not address the right to work in his presentation but told members of the news media afterwards, it is not on my agenda because it is divisive. then what did he do? he put it on his agenda. the minute he had an opportunity he passed the right to work laws. why? he is a liar. he intended to deceive the public so they would vote for him. that's point number two. it's frustrating that the press doesn't understand that. you see, they have to lie otherwise they can't win because their real purpose is to represent the top 2%, the rich and the powerful that fund their campaigns. if they told you the truth, if snyder and romney said i'm out for the rich, will you vote for me, and i'm only for the rich--they wouldn't get your vote. that's why they have to lie on a mass scale. the press who just doesn't get it. the detroit free press after snyder lying to them and pushed forward the right to work law said this. we also indulge many comp
michigan snyder what did he say? snyder did not address as they explained in the slate, did not address the right to work in his presentation but told members of the news media afterwards, it is not on my agenda because it is divisive. then what did he do? he put it on his agenda. the minute he had an opportunity he passed the right to work laws. why? he is a liar. he intended to deceive the public so they would vote for him. that's point number two. it's frustrating that the press doesn't...
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>>> right now on andrea mitchell report, the president arriving in michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands. >> coming up, here congressman chris van holland, the top house democrat in these talks. >> along with bill daley, the former white house chief of staff who prided over the last round of budget negotiations. in the meantime, the anti-union fight, which is michigan. the heart and soul of the labor movement. after saying it was their best prank ever, are these crocodile tears? the aussie dj's are all apologies now that the nurse has tragically committed suicide. >> i mean, personally i'm -- >> the thought that we may have played a part in that is gut wrenching. >> and speaking of tears, "saturday night live" spoofed
>>> right now on andrea mitchell report, the president arriving in michigan today drumming up is the for his tax the rich plan, as his aides say he thinks he and john boehner will reach an agreement to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate and the democrats' hands....
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in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo salaries can be higher when workers' wages are lower. >> julian, by our count seven 69 ten poorest states in the u.s. are right to work states. >> exactly. >> nine of the ten richest are not. >> that's true. >> why do they support this legislation claiming that it helps workers? it does the exact opposite. >> if you look at the right to work states, they generally tend to have lower wages, generally tend to have higher unemployment. the argument on the other side was economic growth, they tend to be growing faster. >> so that's the rick perry argument. >>
in places like flint, michigan, and detroit, michigan. it's really tragic that if this is some kind of political gamesmanship to try to institute this right to work piece here in michigan, that it's sad. but i do think there are more than just political outcomes for the governor and for whatever wealthy cronies he has in his back pocket. at the end of the day when you have these right to work laws in place, the economic gap, the concentration of wealth in the top 2%, ceo payouts and ceo...
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you know, off the election, off of a win in michigan? how hard does he need to push this? >> i don't think he -- he is thinking he owes them a ton, but this is an threat to labor. this is a violent attack on the right to organize. it's much more radical than what was attempted in wisconsin or ohio. labor is flipping out, understandably so, and i think they're trying to stop snyder who may have wandered into a fight that is more extreme than he ever intended to. >> obama ultimately does -- i mean, if this is an easy way to keep your base close, he needs his base close if is he going to cut some sort of deal that are going to be unhappy with some part of ultimately. >> and also, if is he going to be continuing this campaign style strategy of taking his priorities out to the american public using grass rights networks to get support for them, whether that's immigration reform or maybe energy reform. he has to keep some out of the progressive network intact. the election and recent polling shows that the tide of public opinion is turning on marriage equality. something assista
you know, off the election, off of a win in michigan? how hard does he need to push this? >> i don't think he -- he is thinking he owes them a ton, but this is an threat to labor. this is a violent attack on the right to organize. it's much more radical than what was attempted in wisconsin or ohio. labor is flipping out, understandably so, and i think they're trying to stop snyder who may have wandered into a fight that is more extreme than he ever intended to. >> obama ultimately...
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joining me now, politico executive editor and ron mott live in lansing, michigan. first, you, ron mott, the day after the governor rick snyder has signed the right-to-work bills, what is the labor movement planning to do next? >> well, we don't know, andrea. pretty quiet on that front, much like it is down here on the street. far different scene yesterday, of course, a lot of union workers very upset about not just this legislation that's going to wipe out a 77-year-old requirement that workers be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, they are upset also about how this was jammed through the legislature. this was passed in both bodies in four days time and signed by the governor last night. what the advocates of this legislation say is union shops and unions no longer can just depend on fattening up their membership roles by default, they actually have to go out and sell themselves, sell their benefits to the workforce in order to earn those memberships. so we'll see how this all changes. the law will go into effect some time in late march or early
joining me now, politico executive editor and ron mott live in lansing, michigan. first, you, ron mott, the day after the governor rick snyder has signed the right-to-work bills, what is the labor movement planning to do next? >> well, we don't know, andrea. pretty quiet on that front, much like it is down here on the street. far different scene yesterday, of course, a lot of union workers very upset about not just this legislation that's going to wipe out a 77-year-old requirement that...
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as you said, michigan is the home of the american worker. but there are more protests planned in your state today over the controversial right to work legislation that the governor there, rick snyder, sparked this political firestorm when he announced last week he'd sign a bill requiring workers to financially support unions. it could happen tomorrow. moments ago you and your michigan colleagues gave a news conference on this. are you concerned this is going to turn into another messy situation similar to what we saw play out in wisconsin last year? >> here's what i'm concerned about with right to work. is that, number one, it'll end up cutting wages and benefits for middle-income workers who really need the money right now. they're still struggling with under water mortgages, with their kids facing all the student loan debt that i've been fighting to reduce, and also our middle-income families, when they have enough money to take care of themselves, spending that money actually stimulates the economy. so right to work is wrong. everyone who
as you said, michigan is the home of the american worker. but there are more protests planned in your state today over the controversial right to work legislation that the governor there, rick snyder, sparked this political firestorm when he announced last week he'd sign a bill requiring workers to financially support unions. it could happen tomorrow. moments ago you and your michigan colleagues gave a news conference on this. are you concerned this is going to turn into another messy situation...
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joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their decisions to look to indiana. in fact, they've had 31 different companies accept offers from the indiana economic development corporation since that time that are accounting for thousands of jobs. so it's clear that companies are now coming to indiana that previously didn't have them on the list. so it will lead to more and better jobs, and that will happen here in michigan as well. but this legislation was primarily about being pro-worker, about giving workers freedom of choice. but the second added benefit is this jobs effect. >> i'm not sure they're going to appeal that way. >> governor, you h
joining us now from lansing, michigan, the republican governor of michigan, governor rick snyder. the issue at hand, the lead story, and that's the right-to-work legislation. you say it's going to lead to more and better jobs for people in the state of michigan. how? >> well, it will. if you look at -- you just need to look to indiana which passed similar legislation back in february. and the track record's clear. they've had a lot of companies come to indiana and making that one of their...
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an important development, frank thorpe talked mike rogers of michigan coming out of a meeting in the speaker's suite of offices and doesn't see how the vote -- what's emerging, the details, possibly pass the house an he doesn't think in any event taken up today. t.j.? >> all right. mike viqueira on capitol hill. i want to bring in the the chief deputy whip and i think you were able to hear mr. viqueira there saying representative rogers doesn't believe it will come up for a vote. and wouldn't make it through the house. do you agree? >> not necessarily. essentially what's happened with the speaker is didn't pass plan "b" and now delegated to the senate an enthe house republicans able to either vote for a tax decrease or vote no and look to democrats and some republicans to pass this. they have deniability and avoid the catastrophe of an economic meltdown. >> were you encouraged by what you heard from the president? were you encouraged? what did you think of the comments a short time ago? >> i was encouraged. two good things and a question mark. the good thing is political system's got
an important development, frank thorpe talked mike rogers of michigan coming out of a meeting in the speaker's suite of offices and doesn't see how the vote -- what's emerging, the details, possibly pass the house an he doesn't think in any event taken up today. t.j.? >> all right. mike viqueira on capitol hill. i want to bring in the the chief deputy whip and i think you were able to hear mr. viqueira there saying representative rogers doesn't believe it will come up for a vote. and...
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plus, we'll ask the president of the sciu what michigan's right to work fight means for labor in the new year. white house watchers turn weight watchers. how critical should size be when judging governor chris christie's oval office bona fitis. all that in three minutes. eatme. now with a fancy coating that gives you a burst of wildberry flavor. now why make a flavored heartburn pill? because this is america. and we don't just make things you want, we make things you didn't even know you...
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well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. that means 98% of americans and probably 100% of you. >> in some republicans are slowly but steadily fatesing a reality on the fiscal negotiations. leading the way, senator bob corker of tennessee. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate is in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's talking about, the rate increase on the top 2%, and all of a sudd
well, the president was in michigan today speaking before autoworkers and selling his tax plan. let's listen. >> if congress doesn't act soon, meaning the next few weeks, starting on january 1st everybody is going to see their income taxes go up. it's true. y'all don't like that, huh? we can solve this problem. all congress needs to do is pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. everybody. that means 98% of americans and probably 100% of you....
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in 1960, flint was michigan's second largest city 200,000 people. it also had a vibrant middle class, it's public school system was a model for the nation and that was due in large part to the strength of its labor unions and the large number of manufacturing workers living in flint. they took over a factory and they didn't leave until they reached a deal with management. workers occupied several general motor's plants. not for a day, a week but for month -- actually for longer than a month for 40-consecutive days and it worked. they got bargaining rights, and 40-hour workweek and a minimum wage. they had 100,000 people turned out in detroit to show their support for the striking workers in flint 100,000 people. and yesterday, 12,000 people turned out in lancing, michigan to protest against the state's new right to work law. it's a devastating blow to the heart of organized labor in this country, and perhaps no one knows more about than that that garl dean blankinship. >> my father called home one night, he was working on the second shift. he said w
in 1960, flint was michigan's second largest city 200,000 people. it also had a vibrant middle class, it's public school system was a model for the nation and that was due in large part to the strength of its labor unions and the large number of manufacturing workers living in flint. they took over a factory and they didn't leave until they reached a deal with management. workers occupied several general motor's plants. not for a day, a week but for month -- actually for longer than a month for...
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so we get a chunk anyway if we lose the cities. >> like michigan, pennsylvania, new york -- at least where you have a large big city and minorities, they like to cut them off. >> the thing is, there are no rules in the constitution about picking electors to the electoral college. every state gets to -- >> why do they -- >> it became the consensus position over time. that winner takes all. if you wanted to do the system, could you make the argument that you should drop off electoral votes by population in every state. that would be fair if you did that in every state, in which case it would reflect the popular vote. but that's not what they are doing here and they tried to do this before this election and even a more weighted way. if you win the congressional district, you get the electoral from that district and under that situation, obama winning pennsylvania would have gotten seven out of the 20 electoral votes. >> ron, if you're in a minority community, it seems that you want it the way it is now because leverage in from michigan to detroit, for example. or chicago. if it was just
so we get a chunk anyway if we lose the cities. >> like michigan, pennsylvania, new york -- at least where you have a large big city and minorities, they like to cut them off. >> the thing is, there are no rules in the constitution about picking electors to the electoral college. every state gets to -- >> why do they -- >> it became the consensus position over time. that winner takes all. if you wanted to do the system, could you make the argument that you should drop...
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i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we have another person here, collin, thank you for joining us. you were at virginia tech, you were a survivor down there and i'm glad you were. here you are. a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people, the zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they could shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what we will hear in the days ahead. if some of the school officials had been armed, they could have stopped him before he got to the kids. your thoughts. >> you will be hearing it but i don't quite understand it. we are the most armed country in the modern world, and we have the most problems with gun violence. you know, i mean, if more guns solved our problems, then we'd be the safest country already. that's not it. you know, the conversation that we're having now, the conversation that the vast majority of americans are having is the reasonable middle ground. is the background checks on all gun sales. that's something gun owners and nra
i know that's true in ohio and michigan, states like that. we have another person here, collin, thank you for joining us. you were at virginia tech, you were a survivor down there and i'm glad you were. here you are. a lot of people in the gun ownership side, the second amendment people, the zealots, say if a bunch of people have guns they could shoot this guy down when he walked in the door. i can imagine what we will hear in the days ahead. if some of the school officials had been armed, they...
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congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced $120 million investment in michigan. 115 new jobs. michigan has helped lead the economic comeback for this country in part because of historic collective bargaining agreements between the detroit three and the united autoworkers. we have a labor management partnership that works. this, as you said was about politics. it was about gutting organized labor and the irony is i work for a labor management fund connected with a laborer's union and we invest almost $5 million a year in apprenticeship and training programs. we operate skilled workers to build complicated infrastructure projects like the governor wants to
congressman from michigan mark shower who served in the michigan state legislature for 12 years. thank you both for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> my pleasure. >> eliot: mark, let me begin with you. how could this happen in michigan? this is the bluest state we get. union movement has deep roots a deep history. what explains the dynamic that suddenly a right-to-work law a label i reject, how could this law pass in michigan? >> the irony is yesterday chrysler announced...
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congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many republicans as democrats, even though more people in michigan picked a democrat when they voted for congress. republicans got nine seat and the democrats got five. what has happened in michigan is not some sort of miscounting of the votes. it is not a mistake. it is weird quite deliberately, and weird by design. elected officials draw up new districts for electing members of congress in state legislatures every ten years after the new census. well, republicans were in charge this time around in michigan, so it was the re
congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many...
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name no one is talking about here, of the four embattled republican governors, florida, wisconsin, michigan and ohio, whoever survived will run for president. >> i think scott walk wore love to run for president if paul ryan doesn't. >> hard to see the 12016 republican ticket doesn't have a woman or minority. rubio, nikki haley. >> thought for sure there would be a woman on the ticket in the democratic party and hasn't been one yet. anyway, trivia time. anyway, we ask, who was the first president and who was the most recent president to officially start a term on a sunday, which sort of messes up inauguration plans here in washington in the answer is james monroe and ronald reagan. first time the inauguration date fell on a sunday was 1821 and most recent, reagan reelected, president obama's second inaugural will fall on a sunday, which means he will take the oath and do it all for the public the next day. if you have got a political trivia question for us, e-mail us at dailyrundown@msnbc.com. we will be right back with prediction and plugs from our gaggle. apologies to mr. mclaughlin. we w
name no one is talking about here, of the four embattled republican governors, florida, wisconsin, michigan and ohio, whoever survived will run for president. >> i think scott walk wore love to run for president if paul ryan doesn't. >> hard to see the 12016 republican ticket doesn't have a woman or minority. rubio, nikki haley. >> thought for sure there would be a woman on the ticket in the democratic party and hasn't been one yet. anyway, trivia time. anyway, we ask, who was...
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as a matter of fact, one key chairman in the how many times, mike rogers, he's from michigan, he's chairman of the house intelligence committee, doesn't have direct stake in this but he did emerge from a meeting in the speaker's office and told our frank thorpe that he thinks what he's been hearing, at least without that sequestration or a delay in the sequestration, could not pass the house of representatives. so there's always that problem as well. it's been thought all along by some people that going over the cliff would make it easier for something to pass the house of representatives. you know the logic there. they'd be voting to cut taxes as opposed to allowing them to rise on the top 1% or 2%, something that's anathema to the core of the republican party. there are theories put forward by many democrats that john boehner would not put any type of tax vote that would inflame his cause cuss, inflame conservatives around the country until after that gavel is safely in his hands when the new congress is sworn in on january 3rd. so things are still very much up in the air. we do know they
as a matter of fact, one key chairman in the how many times, mike rogers, he's from michigan, he's chairman of the house intelligence committee, doesn't have direct stake in this but he did emerge from a meeting in the speaker's office and told our frank thorpe that he thinks what he's been hearing, at least without that sequestration or a delay in the sequestration, could not pass the house of representatives. so there's always that problem as well. it's been thought all along by some people...
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michigan's not a state! it's more of a dingle berry hanging off canada's -- (laughter). >> indiana's a great place to send jobs! it's got the weather of north dakota and the racial harmony of mississippi! (laughter) >> indiana didn't take michigan's jobs, all right? michael moore ate them! (laughter) >> jon: now that both indiana and michigan have the exact same right to work laws, though, how are you going to differentiate yourselves? >> right to work? jon, come on, that is so 11 months ago. indiana's latest pro-business measure is the workplace safety act. any business that relocates here gets to dump whatever they want wherever they want for free. lakes, rivers, wetlands. they take all factories toxic slurry. >> jon: you call that workplace safety act. >> studies show poisoning the environments cuts workplace beaver bites down to zero. no more raccoon maulings or slipping on the o *d toad on a factory floor. dow chemical is very interesting. >> that's no match for michigan's latest pro-business measure. w
michigan's not a state! it's more of a dingle berry hanging off canada's -- (laughter). >> indiana's a great place to send jobs! it's got the weather of north dakota and the racial harmony of mississippi! (laughter) >> indiana didn't take michigan's jobs, all right? michael moore ate them! (laughter) >> jon: now that both indiana and michigan have the exact same right to work laws, though, how are you going to differentiate yourselves? >> right to work? jon, come on,...
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. >> joining me now is michigan congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house permanent select committee on intelligence. mr. chairman, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> you've seen the report, benghazi. what went wrong? >> oh, boy. it was a whole series of things, andrea. so the information that surrounded the special mission there, there was some 200 ports leading up to it that talked about this security situation deteriorating, and they knew it, and so the folks there at the special mission were asking for help and asking for higher security. we know that tripoli asked. the report said they didn't ask hard enough. it's really not their responsibility. so what happened was they had all this information, and they processed it through the state department, and that leadership just failed to note the security around that -- around the ambassador when he traveled to benghazi, and a security of the special mission. not that they had to have it as a standard mission security status because it was a temporary facility, but the physical security part of it was just so wrong
. >> joining me now is michigan congressman mike rogers, chairman of the house permanent select committee on intelligence. mr. chairman, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> you've seen the report, benghazi. what went wrong? >> oh, boy. it was a whole series of things, andrea. so the information that surrounded the special mission there, there was some 200 ports leading up to it that talked about this security situation deteriorating, and they knew it,...
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michigan is primarily a rural state. this will be extremely difficult for people outside of southeastern michigan to get reproductive healthcare. so for us as nurses i think we'll have to do more education and outreach in the community. it's going to take a little time to figure out what strategies we're going to use. >> eliot: when we think of michigan, as with every state that there is diversity politically. in the right to work laws. >> right to work for less. >> eliot: exactly. do you think they provided cover for these heinous bills in the sense that so much attention was focused on them that these awful anti-choice bills were snuck in the dark of night. >> i don't think so because there is even more on the agenda. there is another emergency financial manager legislation which with legislation that governor snyder signed, it was the fourth bill that became law in his term. so less than two years ago. and our voters said, we don't want that. we just voted in november. yet on the floor we're taking up another bill on
michigan is primarily a rural state. this will be extremely difficult for people outside of southeastern michigan to get reproductive healthcare. so for us as nurses i think we'll have to do more education and outreach in the community. it's going to take a little time to figure out what strategies we're going to use. >> eliot: when we think of michigan, as with every state that there is diversity politically. in the right to work laws. >> right to work for less. >> eliot:...
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tonight the fight rages on in michigan. the new front line for the battle for worker's rights in this country. the uaw is founded there, but republican lawmakers are now threatening to cripple it there. this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any president voiced strong support the unions but as we know campaigning a very different from governing. things didn't look too promising this morning. so let's let the president speak for himself on this one. here he is in red ford, michigan late this afternoon. >> obama: what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your rights to bargain for better wages. these so-called right to work laws have everything to do with politics. >> nice work mr. president, reelection beginning to look good on you. and michigan's workers are forging ahead. t
tonight the fight rages on in michigan. the new front line for the battle for worker's rights in this country. the uaw is founded there, but republican lawmakers are now threatening to cripple it there. this is pure and simple union busting. these right to work laws have already had serious impacts across the country. wages for all workers, unionized and otherwise have decreased an average of $1,500 a year and workers are less likely to get health insurance or pensions. during the campaign any...